w?Lhq ?N~5kd>wkSrzPq$`p_PD8q Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! nothing works. Check Programming Cup connection to decoder and ICD-HP. Web1:00:00 EZ Decoder Diagnostics. Check two-wire path and controller power. Thanks for your patience. Do not leave ClikTM Output Tester or Flow Output. ?t5Za')i6/3^mAa` B@9xkWJIj#vc$lsv$ $ac9]zruP!53yT)Ek8k~oF2|jS(KzwR%~qQPxS*=[{n{;GCNBRq;4E+ajt'b34vII +sa:fKJ I have chatted a few times with hunter support and with the local hunter rep but I figured I would try a different perspective. Basically the system doesn't work intermittently, where the control box indicated that it is watering normally but it in fact is not. I'm an avid user of Hunter products here in Aus. WebPress the Station Finder soft key, and select the station number to locate. I think it isn't posted online because it needs updating. If the decoder reading fails, a red X will appear in the display. I feel like I am beating this to death. here what ive done first i went threw with my wire locater to check for broken wires and located all the valves. 1:27:03 Whats the next step? The display may show Press the Mode (center) button on the DUAL48M control panel. Display backlight will reduce battery life. Ditto on the classy rep. Those are posts well worth saving. Reduce timer or turn off backlight display. Any current-limiting circuitry would serve as transformer protection as well as triac protection. Sounds weird, but you need a 24 VAC transformer. can we get the Federal Express guy to teach a half-day class? All diagnostic functions are completed via wireless communication between the EZ-DT and EZ-1 decoders. I should have mentioned my own research about polyswitches was not about their being primary protection in this application, but for use in another aspect of valve operation by remote controllers. http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/ACC_Flash_Update_Instructions.pdf, http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/DG_DecoderDesignGuide_dom.pdf, http://www.turf-digital.com/Jul2011/South#&pageSet=12&page=0. Is that true? JavaScript is disabled. If Been installing it for around 6 years now and its the best. 1:09:06 System Troubleshooting. I scheduled with the homeowner for Friday morning, so I will be calling at 8am Hawaii time this friday. When the Start button is pressed, the controller will chatter the solenoid for up to 30 minutes. Verify that the two wire path is connected to the controller, and that controller power is Hunter does have an "ACC Decoder System Troubleshooting Guide", although I can't find a link to it anywhere on their website. Greenhouse, Nursery, and Open-Field Irrigation. here what ive done first i went threw with my wire locater to check for broken wires and located all the valves. 2 0 obj 3 0 obj Check Programming Cup connection to decoder and ICD-HP. Check flow sensor wiring. also there are 22 stations. One of my location have a hunter acc 2 wire. Sounds weird, but you need a 24 VAC transformer. To stop the chatter, press the soft key again, or it will stop by itself after 30 minutes. JavaScript is disabled. The curves I read showed there was a little bit of wiggle room (very little). Check battery display or retry with USB power if available. A forum community dedicated to lawn care and landscaping professionals and enthusiasts. Wont read flow. Otherwise I have been going by what the homeowner is telling me. There will be more online material in the future. <>/Font<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text/ImageB/ImageC/ImageI] >>/MediaBox[ 0 0 612 792] /Contents 4 0 R/Group<>/Tabs/S/StructParents 0>> EZ-DT is Hunters new Easy Decoder Diagnostic Tool that makes troubleshooting the EZ-DS system even easier. I have better luck using a 24 VAC signal. Thanks to all for the kind words. ICD-HP will not communicate with decoder. Rod your a big help.. when i called hunter support last thursday the rep i talked to was just reading a book and didnt know a clue what i was talking about almost. WebTroubleshoot wire breaks, nicks, damage, and shorts Solve issues with wires, valves and locating decoders Assists with set-up and product recommendations Supports all 2-wire Hunter does have an "ACC Decoder System Troubleshooting Guide", although I can't find a link to it anywhere on their website. if more reps reacted to product concerns the way you do Rod i believe they would received much better on this or any forum. That Jim Guy said: Rather than seeing 10.5-12.0 ma you should be getting about 4.5 at the 3rd decoder. I like barry he uses a white board which I like and dry erase markers which I love, ill post a link if i can find it. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. School of hard knocks. The decoder may be damaged. HunterTekGeek 1. I thought I was the only nerd regarding 2 wire. If the Err message is not present, the problem is with the valve or Thank you very much, I will be calling Hunter Support tomorrow. WebOpen the controller inner door to see additional diagnostic information on the DUAL48M display. The Decoder Design Guide isn't super great for troubleshooting but it does help clarify things graphically: reps and sponsors could learn a lot from your posts, once a product has been introduced quit selling and help when help is needed. First, I invite you to call Tech Service at 800-733-2823 to help get this resolved. The clamp-meter will give accurate readings. <> Disconnect the 2-wire path (s) from the controller. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! The AC current will drop sharply between two points on the wire path, if the short circuit or fault to earth is between them. 2. Greenhouse, Nursery, and Open-Field Irrigation, EZ-1 Decoder Diagnostics and Troubleshooting. http://blog.circuitprotection.com/bwitch-device-and-when-to-use-a-fuse-te-talks/, http://blog.circuitprotection.com/bwitch-device-and-when-to-use-a-fuse-TE-talks/, http://www.underhillonline.net/Faulting_Transformer_p/transfrmr-240.htm, http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/ACC_Flash_Update_Instructions.pdf. WebMake sure both slide locks are closed. Read the resistance of the wire pair that connects the two decoders together. The readings should be between 0-60 depending on distance between decoders (see decoder wire resistance chart). If connection/wiring breaks are not visible, then use a cable tracer to track the wire issue. % @lP-s 67#R }*]xg6Q+DTp J'rY{y Greenhouse, Nursery, and Open-Field Irrigation. This seems serious enough for the big kahuna to do a site visit. Otherwise data history only shows "power outage" and "power restore" due to the homeowner shutting off the breaker, which he says 'almost' always allows the box to work properly. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Konapride - U da Man! Each modules electrical current is shown. WebEZDT - EZ-1 Decoder Diagnostics and Troubleshooting. Of course, the primary design concern for controllers is probably going to be to have triacs that can handle the entire output of the supply transformer up to its internal fuse opening point. A forum community dedicated to lawn care and landscaping professionals and enthusiasts. great post & replies.. very helpful stuff. Decoder is powered from ICD-HP power leads. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. WebWith the clamp meter check the lead wire of the decoder to make sure the cause is not a failed decoder. EZ-DT: Decoder Programming You <> If it is there for a long period of time, the ICD-HP is retrying due to communication failures. Or are we taking those with the same grains of salt we employ when looking at sprinkler head performance charts? It helps us both when you are in front of the controller when we speak. Start the controller manually. Most manufacturers use a diagnostic circuit breaker on the triac/output side of things. Hi guys. I hate to disappoint 1idejim, but no Speedos were used or harmed during this operation. One of my location have a hunter acc 2 wire. Woo-Hoo! Check the voltage on the output of the decoder. Example of using glass fuse holders on ADM. Any luck using self-resetting polyfuses instead of conventional glass fuses? My Armada clamp meter shows 1.5ma on my ICD100 decoders. I have a few oversize control transformers with actual fuseholders. It helps us both when you are in front of the controller when we speak. and the error code i get is "overcurrent" or "no comm" Does any one have any ideas. Hi tlawn86 - I work for Hunter and don't jump in here often, so I hope this is okay. When no stations are running (Inactive), this shows the standby current draw of idle decoders on the two-wire path. i also replace every connections with the 2 wires running to all the decoders. 6u-B*v?!kTBiqGx]%L(lJR%C%JT|JN](lW*M(q0sN)M3Z>.l&Zhg_v|w4(`yNId8Ui@IOPfMaUKZHTLjnJQZ\`{YAQ$t"k$HiYv;|bXr`-p J#[(iiq:;?-+&gj"tw0 ,x n(p.d0ib=J%UXSeRn2 LM %%]*WI@NT. and the error code i get is "overcurrent" or "no comm" Does any one have any ideas. Overflow messages. WebMove the pointer with the arrow buttons at the Main Menu screen to Program Decoder and press Next . STEP 1: Verify Station Fault Remove the field wire for the faulted station. The wire test will place a 60 Hz frequency on all output modules and their two-wire paths, to allow wire tracking and fault finding with a standard AC current clamp meter. The Diagnostics screen displays an overview of the electrical status of each installed output module, plus additional functions. Program dummy station numbers into decoder. When the Start button is pressed, the controller will chatter the solenoid for up to 30 minutes. I was at the Golf Industry Show in San Diego all day. Master Valve not on (station solenoid is on, but no water). Manually activate the desired station to energize the two-wire path. Know most of the Hunter guys in San Marcos. All Hunter ICD decoders have a single copper grounding wire. That is the "wire" that would be connected to earth ground. If the decoder (s) look damaged from surge, disconnect them from the 2-wire path and check the amperage at the controller. This is done by going to "Advanced Features", "Decoder Functions", "Check ADM Current". All rights reserved. I will check on it. The ICD-HP will check for a decoder. 2. So here's the recap guys: Success! WebHunter ACC Decoders. A technician can then listen for the underground noise to locate the selected solenoid. Current is very helpful in troubleshooting field wiring conditions. http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/ACC_Flash_Update_Instructions.pdf, http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/acc_v5.11.020_xp.zip, http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/DG_DecoderDesignGuide_dom.pdf. A technician can then listen for the underground noise to locate the selected solenoid. nothing works. If successful, it will display the Dec In a diagnostics situation be aware their will be measurable current where their will none in a traditionally open circuit. When stations are running (Active), the total current is updated to show the power used by the solenoids. This is a common diagnostic technique to find shorts to earth ground. I will be in the office the rest of the week. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. When troubleshooting is finished, press the soft key again to turn off the 60 Hz wire test mode. Start station with MV from controller or remote. If My Armada clamp meter shows 1.5ma on my ICD100 decoders. WebThe bottom of the decoder (the end with no wires) should be within the programming cup. When the program doesn't run, the "module/line activity" light is rapidly blinking red. I looked up curves when it seemed like I would have to upsize a fuse in a solid state controller in order to accommodate two valves on a zone, in a controller only rated for one. I have replaced the decoder module and I am experiencing the same problem. Hunter have been exceptional with their service over the years. Rod says that Hunter ICD decoders should draw 3.5 to 4ma. I have a question relating to this post and a job we are on at the moment. A failed decoder may read 500-600 mA over that decoders lead wires. If there is no problem with the decoder lead wires, then split the connections for the 2-wire path. Trace and mark the 2-wire path using a 501 or 521 if necessary. Connect the Pulser to the 2-wire path that is isolated from the controller. Some of us employ self-healing transformer technology which may use a poly-switch or other resettable device. Hi tlawn86 - I work for Hunter and don't jump in here often, so I hope this is okay. Why don't you just buy your controllers from dealers instead of off the back of a truck in the middle of the night. Check controller power to two-wire path, or connect power leads to decoder. i also replace every connections with the 2 wires running to all the decoders. Sprinkus, nice job on providing the Decoder Troubleshooting Guide. I have a great video by an engineer named Barry Brents he explains when to use poly switching and when you might not want to. Check Power Supply Board status light. Copyright 2023 Hunter Industries. However there have only been two fault messages, each for a random zone (19,22) stating "comm" error. Repeat firmware update steps and allow to complete. Can we trust electronic component curves? Press the Station Finder soft key, and select the station number to locate. First, I invite you to call Tech Service at 800-733-2823 to help get this resolved. Thank you. :clapping: Hey Pops, you ever hear of speaker phone or earbuds? Success! The * is letting the user know that the ICD-HP is in process of communicating with the decoder. also there are 22 stations. All rights reserved. Not sure how their fuse size compares to the actual transformer ratings. Troubleshooting Decoder-Based Irrigation Systems Regency Wire & Cable 3.86K subscribers Subscribe 230 Share 40K views 5 years ago Learn how to nothing works. Konapride - Did you call Hunter today? Ex distributor and a big fan of Hunter 2 wire. It's easy enough to spec triacs in a controller that will operate on the safe side of a glass fuse curve. To read decoder information: Manually activate the desired station to energize the two-wire path. endobj Disconnect the 2-wire path (s) from the controller. 5[@l$w ZIeQ|"+m}Z ACC-99D uses two-wire decoders to control up to 99 stations without giving up the arsenal of features provided by the ACC. Copyright 2023 Hunter Industries. A condensed version might be possible in your area. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. A failed decoder may read 500-600 mA over that decoders lead wires. Check battery display or Check with your local sales rep and request a class. <>>> Y1-XBL)~\d1on4a*NkHIcOB\pMEw4pl>=U`S&bSh 9umf,[$ctNKXle5I<5~8[y!ofCO]myN 'T,]>V 7T% One of my location have a hunter acc 2 wire. Sorry tlawn86 - The 2-day decoder class is currently held in San Marcos, CA. I am troubleshooting a Hunter ACC 2 wire decoder system and could use some advice. Operating large numbers If the LED on the decoder is not blinking green, ensure the station is active, checkthe two-wire path and wire connections, and repeatsteps 1 & 2. That's the valve wire after the decoder, not the decoder wire. Dual/Pilot decoder not recognized by hand held. When 12 comes on there shouldn't be any measurable current on the same wire on the 11 valve. Decoder will not respond after firmware update. 1.5 Amp, fused, with alligator clips, with the primary wired to a pigtail. The station finder will chatter a selected station to help locate a solenoid in the field by listening. To read decoder information: Two beeps will sound, and decoder information will be displayed. Poly switches allow current leakage and their ability to remain active is limited. Awesome sps2868. JavaScript is disabled. i also replace every connections with the 2 wires running to all the decoders. How to use a clamp-meter to troubleshoot: 1. Check flow sensor setup. Verify flow limits and delays allow for some variation. 1.5 Amp, fused, with alligator clips, 19 yrs & counting. Woo-Hoo! stream Only looked it up a few days ago, and found the LTC1153 as a top result. Sorry. 1:24:23 The Half Method. Weba defective solenoid, 2) defective field wiring, or 3) poor wire connections. O.k, you're holding the phone in one hand and the notebook in the other..how do you write? Any luck using self-resetting polyfuses instead of conventional glass fuses? 1:15:16 Types of Problems. Copyright 2023 Hunter Industries. endobj I will also explore a shorted solenoid. The decoder will not respond after a firmware update, Dual/Pilot decoder not recognized by handheld. Select. I have only gotten the problem to show itself for me once, that was today after installing the new module. All rights reserved. HCC Manual Operation. All diagnostic functions are completed via wireless communication between the EZ-DT and EZ-1 decoders. I'd say a helper would be handy. also there Make sure you have a clampmeter and notebook in your hands, I can't tell you how portant they both are. I previously distributed Hunter here in Aus and they are a brilliant company. I remember reading the phrase "electronic circuit breaker" in product descriptions when the glass fuses and mechanical circuit breakers were no longer included with sprinkler controllers. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. ICC2 Manual Operation. Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! 4 0 obj Rod says that Hunter ICD decoders should draw 3.5 to 4ma. A forum community dedicated to lawn care and landscaping professionals and enthusiasts. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. G'Day sprinklerkid_australia --- Your Armada Tech clamp meter is trying to read milliamps at 35 VAC and 1.2 Hertz. if more reps reacted to product concerns the way you do Rod i believe they would received much better on this or any forum. Check system for leaks and malfunctions. In other words, if you try to use a clamp meter on "native" power, normal controller power, it likely will not read accurately. and the error code i get is "overcurrent" or "no comm" Does any one have any ideas. Thanks for any help. Select Diagnostics with the arrows, and press Mode to Press the Mode I love the product. Make sure power is on to controller. XhArBLfR6+$!$/}^T%]'N$xRP:D,d_c GuC`5PC.7|/$C. WebSolution Check controller power to two-wire path, or connect power leads to decoder. xnH j"0 5xvyeY&B^RU}j5,WWu| ?Dy2)Q()F)aY@S8bAZDx]r|zy|hWl>V&vrU>%eD/ay2qlH&O}MHV- 0h$X>#e|:>6 ? WebDetect faults and perform electrical troubleshooting in the field without uninstalling decoders Quickly read decoder status, station address, current draw, and two-wire voltage to simplify maintenance Program decoder station address via wired connection to speed up installation and save time on-site ill ask for you next time you really know your stuff.. Sometimes it works perfectly fine. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. If the voltage did not change, verify that To view this page in a different language, please select from the list below. 1 0 obj endobj 1:01:06 Tools for Troubleshooting. %PDF-1.5 dEZ$eo4#tWY)[ 1BqH M9 7HB37(.eFyTg%!Rppe8M'CJ_*uN%! VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. If you are going to maintain 2-wire systems, you want to have a clamp-around "leakage meter" that can read the milliamp currents drawn by the decoders. here what ive done first i went threw with my wire locater to check for broken wires and located all the valves. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. WebAttempt to turn on the decoder from the controller (Manual Single Station or ICR remote). Check with your local sales rep and request a class. Position the EZ-DT and EZ-1 decoder as shown in the display.